Is your team burned out by doing ministry for people instead of with people?

In this episode, Hunter Melton sits down with pastors John Joseph and Garrett Gregory to talk about one of the most sacred, often unseen parts of ministry—shepherding. They unpack what it really means to care for souls, build sustainable systems of care, and walk with people through grief and growth.

From navigating hospital visits to avoiding ministry burnout, this episode offers honest stories, biblical grounding, and practical rhythms that help pastors stay rooted in Christ while leading others.

If you’re a ministry leader who’s tired, stretched, or asking how to care for your people without losing yourself, this conversation is for you.

Episode Guests:

• Hunter Melton: Campus & Teaching Pastor, The Church at Woodbine
• John Joseph: Campus & Teaching Pastor, The Church at Station Hill
• Garrett Gregory: Care & Campus Pastor, Brentwood Baptist

Timestamps:

• 00:00 – Why shepherding matters more than ever
• 03:30 – What God is doing at each campus
• 09:00 – What does it really mean to shepherd people?
• 15:00 – Systems vs. single-mindedness in pastoral care
• 21:30 – Building teams that multiply care
• 27:00 – When to delegate and when to step in
• 35:00 – How to walk with people through suffering
• 45:00 – What not to say in a crisis
• 50:00 – Helping your staff avoid burnout
• 56:00 – Why pastors need small groups too
• 1:02:00 – Anchoring your soul in Christ while leading others
• 1:08:00 – Final encouragements for weary leaders

Resources Mentioned:

• Valley of Vision (Puritan Prayers)
• The Bruised Reed by Richard Sibbes
• The Trellis and the Vine by Colin Marshall & Tony Payne
• CareLife (Brentwood Baptist’s care case system)
• Deuteronomy 29:29
• 1 Peter 5
• Psalm 23
• Mark 1: Jesus’ rhythm of abiding and ministry